From: honp9@menudo.uh.edu (Jason L. Tibbitts III) Organization: Blob Shop Programmers Subject: REVIEW: ATonce Keywords: emulation, IBM, AT, hardware Distribution: world Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.reviews Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.emulations Reply-To: 871579l@aucs.acadiau.ca (Todd Lowe) The ATonce is a hardware IBM AT emulator similar to the AT bridgeboard, except it is designed for the Amiga 500 instead of the Amiga 2000. It performs the emulation quite well, but problems with its setup software and possible problems with various Amiga configurations detract from its usefulness except on a bare-bones A500 system. Lately a lot of people have been wondering about the ATonce 80286 emulator for the Amiga 500. Last week I had the opportunity to test one of these and unfortunately did not have much success. Here I will explain what the thing is (if you don't know), how it's supposed to work, and the problems I had. All testing was done on a Revision 5 Amiga 500 with the new Agnus, 1 meg chip ram, 42ms 48Meg Seagate st157-n hard drive, Trumpcard controller and 2 meg fast ram. I also have both AmigaDos 1.3 and 2.0, but since 2.0 is loaded to ram it's pointers seem to be reset when the ATonce is used. For this reason testing was done using Kickstart and Workbench 1.3. The product was tried both with and without the A500 expansion hardware and on a 2000, but the latter two configurations were tried only briefly while first was used for about a week. [Ed. Note: If you have used the ATonce on other configurations, or have any other information which you wish to add, please send mail to HONP9@menudo.uh.edu with your experiences.] At the end of this review are benchmarks and test results obtained with Norton Utilities and CheckIt. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The ATonce is an 80286 AT emulator from a German company 'Vortex'. Their address: Falterstrasse 51-53, D-7101 Flien bei Heilbronn, Germany. phone : 07 131 58 72-0 e-mail: 100016,2545@compuserve.com I tested a unit from: Computers Plus, Ralph Doncaster, 880274d@aucs.AcadiaU.Ca It is a very small board containing a Motorola 68000. This is important because many Amigas have third party 68000's and Vortex claims they need the stability of a real one. (I don't know if this is so, but at least it is easier to install; you simply remove the existing 68000 and plug in the card) The board also contains an Intel 80286 and a large custom gate array containing the BIOS and other custom circuitry. Along with this is a special "double socket" to put under the Gary chip and initialization and setup software. Once I had the ATonce I immediately installed it following Vortex's manual. This caused some problems. I had the CPU card and the Gary module installed correctly, and I'd run the setup program and told it to use default settings, but I could not get the program to work. When you start the initialization software it normally sets some pointers to the ATonce code, then reboots the Amiga. At this point you get both an Amiga startup screen and a standard MS-DOS screen complete with memory and BIOS test. On my system I was losing the memory required for the ATonce, but was not getting that MS-DOS screen. I tried with and without my HD, expanded memory, even tried an old Agnus, but no luck. It turned out that on my system it only works WITHOUT the Gary module. The manual says that the Gary module may cause problems finding an A590 HD, but apparently causes problems on older A500's as well. I should mention here that the purpose of the Gary module is to avoid timing differences between internal and external memory expansion in the 500, and is therefore unnecessary in a 2000. The manual says that it will not work with the 2000, but someone else here tried it in his and it seemed to work about the same as on my 500. (As you will see this should be read FLAKY.) On the 2000 ATonce would initialize about half of the time and would run MS-DOS software once it was up. The extent of our tests was to boot DOS and exit so perhaps someone else (or maybe myself if I get time) could do more in depth tests on the 2000. [Ed. Note: If anyone has done this, please sent mail to HONP9@menudo.uh.edu.] While attempting to get the ATonce working the first time I noticed that the manual mentioned problems with older revision motherboards. There are two files on the program disk that have the extension .dsg. Only one of these is used by the ATonce, but apparently they are modifications for different revision mother boards. The files are named "atonce.dsg" and "other.dsg". The manual says something to the effect of: "If your motherboard is an older revision than 6A you may need to rename other.dsg to atonce.dsg to obtain full performance from your ATonce. Do NOT ever use the file other.dsg on a revision older than 6A." Yes, I know this contradicts itself, but it is in the manual (not a direct quote as I have returned the product, but close enough). To confuse things even more their Erratum listed the passage as: "If your motherboard is newer than revision 5 you may need to rename other.dsg to atonce.dsg to obtain full performance. NEVER use the file other.dsg on a revision newer than 5." Again this is not a direct quote, but it is just as confusing and explains the problem. Not knowing which to use I tried with both and found they both work, but other.dsg was faster according to Norton's SI. Now at this point I have the ATonce program loading from my HD, but DOS booting from floppy and have only run MS-DOS and SI. The biggest problems start when trying to install ATonce so that MS-DOS can use the Amiga HD. ATonce allows for HD support as either a file on an AmigaDos partition or a full MS-DOS partition. First I tried to create a file. The manual and setup program are straight forward. You select 'Hard Drive' and tell it what you want following prompts AND the manual. The format for file is: HD:path/filename,first_dos_track,last_dos_track with 50 tracks being about 5 megs. For a partition you simply give the partition name (it must be a mounted device). After creating a file the right size I ran ATonce. No luck. It used memory when I rebooted, but didn't initialize the card. The next time I rebooted, AmigaDos couldn't validate the hard drive containing the partition file. I managed to validate the drive with AmigaDos 2.0 (not sure why 1.3 wouldn't) and the tried again after doing a cold boot. This time the ATonce found the file and used it as C:. I was able to make this a boot partition using Zenith's PART program, format it, and install Zenith Dos 3.30 plus. I rebooted and tried again. This time the ATonce worked correctly, and even booted from the HD file. Great, now it was working! WRONG! Now every time I changed something in the ATonce configuration my HD wouldn't validate. Eventually it was beyond even FixDisk and was reformatted. Since I had to reformat I tried creating a MS-DOS partition in addition to a file. This did not go well either. I could get the partition recognized, but when I tried to format or partition it the system would crash. Amiga-Amiga-S is a hardware reset for the ATonce, and even this did not work at this point. (One thing I did like was that it never crashed or even affected the Amiga side once it was running. The setup and initialization programs often did, but MS-DOS didn't.) OK, enough problems with the hardware. Now I created a partition file and formatted it and decided to test the thing's MS-DOS compatibility. After great pains with disk drive being trashed I got ATonce working. With my memory configuration (3 megs) I was able to get ONLY 640K base and 512K extended. This left over 1.5 megs for the Amiga Side, but the way the ATonce software operates it couldn't access it. My configuration is: $8c2 - $7e7ff : original chip ram $80000 - $fffff : extra 512K chip ram $280000 - $2fffff : 1st Meg fast ram $380000 - $3fffff : 2nd Meg fast ram ATonce would let me use $80000-$fffff and either Meg of fast ram, but it would not allow me to use both megs of fast ram, even when I specified it with an option "MEMMODE" which is provided to allow user specified memory usage. Now, after figuring out the memory problem I got ATonce running. It 'SI'ed at : other.dsg atonce.dsg --------------------------------------------- CI 5.9 4.6 DI 0.2 0.2 PI 4.0 3.1 It never reached the 6.1 that Vortex advertises, and I was able to slow it down to 1.6 by having high activity on the Amiga Side. (Moving screens and graphics demos, etc.) Once running the ATonce performed very closely to what is advertised. It had printer support, RS-232 support (although CheckIt reported errors on COM2), CGA, Hercules, and Olivetti graphics and text support. There was even the pitiful MS-DOS sound. There are only 2 real problems: 1. The Amiga mouse is supposed to be emulating a Microsoft mouse. This was not a very good emulation. MOUSE.COM was the only program that would find my mouse. None of the Microsoft utilities would find it, a graphics program I've written (which uses a Microsoft mouse fine on PC's) wouldn't, CheckIt wouldn't, and neither would any other program I ran. 2. Apparently certain access to interrupts can crash the ATonce. When CheckIt tested interrupts it crashed, and when I tried to use the program FastBack Plus it crashed. (These are, however the only two cases I had it crash from the MS-Dos side other than formating the HD.) I don't have much to say about the MS-DOS emulation except that it is good when it works. I ran games and utility software with equal success. Here is a list of tested programs, all of which worked exactly as on a real AT, except for mouse support and FastBack Plus (which crashed). Norton Utilities CheckIt Turbo C 2.0 Turbo Assembler (From C 2.0) Turbo Debugger (From C 2.0) Turbo Pascal 5.0 Word Perfect 5.1 Procomm Firepower Silpheed Mouse FastBack Plus This is not a long list, but I think that it is a good indication of what the ATonce is capable of running. I think that the only problem is that there are some configurations of hardware that were not thoroughly tested prior to the ATonce's release. When running on a stand-alone, A500 with only one meg of ram and with the Gary module uninstalled, the ATonce seems to work fine. I think it is a good emulator if you want stand alone AT in an Amiga case and are happy with only 640K memory (and 86K on the Amiga side). I was attracted to the ATonce by the promise of support of hard drives, expanded memory and the mouse. In these three areas it is sadly lacking, but if there is a new release of the support software this will be a very useful and long awaited package. One last thing that may be interesting is the quality of translation from German to English in the manual. I found it humourous that the new Agnus was referred to as the "REALLY BIG FAT AGNUS" rather than new or super or fatter Agnus. Benchmarks: ----------- Norton SI Results With atonce.dsg file being used: SI-System Information, Advanced Edition 4.50, (C) Copr 1987-88, Peter Norton Computer Name: IBM AT Operating System: DOS 3.30 Built-in BIOS dated: Friday, November 30, 1990 Main Processor: Intel 80286 Serial Ports: 2 Co-Processor: None Parallel Ports: 1 Video Display Adapter: Color/Graphics (CGA) Current Video Mode: Text, 80 x 25 Black and White Available Disk Drives: 3, A: - C: DOS reports 640 K-bytes of memory: 73 K-bytes used by DOS and resident programs 567 K-bytes available for application programs A search for active memory finds: 640 K-bytes main memory (at hex 00000-0A000) 128 K-bytes display memory (at hex 0A000-0C000) 512 K-bytes extended memory (at hex 10000-18000) ROM-BIOS Extensions are found at hex paragraphs: C400 Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 4.6 Disk Index (DI), relative to IBM/XT: 0.2 Performance Index (PI), relative to IBM/XT: 3.1 ----------- Norton SI results with other.dsg file being used: SI-System Information, Advanced Edition 4.50, (C) Copr 1987-88, Peter Norton Computer Name: IBM AT Operating System: DOS 3.30 Built-in BIOS dated: Friday, November 30, 1990 Main Processor: Intel 80286 Serial Ports: 2 Co-Processor: None Parallel Ports: 1 Video Display Adapter: Color/Graphics (CGA) Current Video Mode: Text, 80 x 25 Black and White Available Disk Drives: 3, A: - C: DOS reports 640 K-bytes of memory: 73 K-bytes used by DOS and resident programs 567 K-bytes available for application programs A search for active memory finds: 640 K-bytes main memory (at hex 00000-0A000) 128 K-bytes display memory (at hex 0A000-0C000) 512 K-bytes extended memory (at hex 10000-18000) ROM-BIOS Extensions are found at hex paragraphs: C400 Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 5.9 Disk Index (DI), relative to IBM/XT: 0.2 Performance Index (PI), relative to IBM/XT: 4.0 _______ CheckIt Results: CheckIt 2.1 Activity Log 3/2/1991 22:36:18 === CONFIGURATION INFORMATION === DOS Version: 3.30 ROM BIOS: (Standard) BIOS Date: 11/30/90 Processor Type: 80286 AT Machine Math Coprocessor: Not Present Base Memory: 640K Available: 566K Extended Memory: 512K Available: 512K EXPANDed Memory: No EMS driver installed Video Adapter: CGA Video Address: B800h Video RAM Size: 16K Hard Drive(s): Drive 0 (C:) = 18M Floppy Drive(s): A:720K(3.5") Clock/Calendar: CMOS Clock Parallel Port(s): LPT1=378h, LPT2=278h Serial Port(s): COM1=3F8h, COM2=2F8h Mouse: None Joystick(s): None === CLOCK/CALENDAR TEST === Compare Current Time............................................FAILED *** DOS: 22:38:03.28 Real-Time Clock: 22:38:26.00 (22.72 apart) Compare Current Date............................................Passed DOS: 03/02/1991 Real-Time Clock: 03/02/1991. Real-Time Clock Alarm...........................................FAILED *** Compare Elapsed Time............................................FAILED *** DOS: 18.84 Seconds Real-Time Clock: 20.00 Seconds(1.16 apart) *** END TESTS: 3 ERRORS ENCOUNTERED *** === COM1 SERIAL PORT TEST === Loopback Plug...............................................Not Present Test data register..........................................Passed Test interrupt enable.......................................Passed Test interrupt id...........................................Passed Test line control...........................................Passed Test modem control..........................................Passed Test line status............................................Passed Test modem status...........................................FAILED *** Expected 05h, received 15h. Test different baud rates...................................Passed *** END TESTS: 1 ERROR ENCOUNTERED *** === COM2 SERIAL PORT TEST === Loopback Plug...............................................Not Present Test data register..........................................FAILED *** Received unexpected character: 00h. Test interrupt enable.......................................Passed Test interrupt id...........................................Passed Test line control...........................................Passed Test modem control..........................................Passed Test line status............................................FAILED *** Received unexpected character: 00h. Test modem status...........................................FAILED *** Expected 05h, received 15h. Test different baud rates...................................Passed *** END TESTS: 3 ERRORS ENCOUNTERED *** === LPT1 PARALLEL PORT TEST === Loopback Plug...............................................Not Present Test parallel data register.................................Passed Test with external loopback.................................Not Tested *** END TESTS: NO ERRORS ENCOUNTERED *** === VIDEO RAM TEST === Test Results: Video Memory................................................Passed Video Page Test (4 Pages)...................................Passed === VIDEO TEXT TEST === Character Set: Mode 00h (CGA)..............................................Passed Mode 01h (CGA)..............................................Passed Mode 02h (CGA)..............................................Passed Mode 03h (CGA)..............................................Passed Character Attributes: Mode 00h (CGA)..............................................Passed Mode 01h (CGA)..............................................Passed Mode 02h (CGA)..............................................Passed Mode 03h (CGA)..............................................Passed === VIDEO GRAPHICS TEST === Mode 04h (CGA)..............................................Passed Mode 05h (CGA)..............................................Passed Mode 06h (CGA)..............................................Passed *** END TESTS: NO ERRORS ENCOUNTERED *** === MAIN SYSTEM BENCHMARK === +- CPU SPEED -+ +--- VIDEO SPEED ----+ +- MATH SPEED-+ 2.0K+ | 2.0K+ | 50K+ | 1.8K+ Model 60| 1.8K+ | 45K+ | 1.6K+ | 1.6K+ | 40K+ | 1.4K+ AT 339 | 1.4K+ | 35K+ | 1.2K+ | 1.2K+ @@@ | 30K+ | 1.0K+ ___ Model 30| 1.0K+ @@@ | 25K+ | 0.8K+ @@@ Turbo-10| 0.8K+ @@@ | 20K+ ___ | 0.6K+ @@@ | 0.6K+ @@@ | 15K+ @@@ | 0.4K+ @@@ PC, XT | 0.4K+ @@@ | 10K+ @@@ | 0.2K+ @@@ | 0.2K+ @@@ | 5K+ @@@ | 0 +-------------+ 0 +--------------------+ 0 +-------------+ 80286 CPU, 0.63 Mhz CGA Video Adapter No Coprocessor +-+ 1023 Dhrystones |/| Determine CPU Speed +-+ 1270 Characters/Second |/| Determine Video Speed +-+ 20.4K Whetstones |/| Determine Math Speed +-+ === HARD DISK BENCHMARK === +--- SEEK TIME ---+ +- XFER SPEED -+ | | | | 1.0sec+ ___ | 20K+ | 0.9sec+ @@@ | 18K+ | 0.8sec+ @@@ | Drive: 0 (C:) 16K+ | 0.7sec+ @@@ | Disk Type: 0 14K+ ___ | 0.6sec+ @@@ | Cylinders: 160 12K+ @@@ | 0.5sec+ @@@ | Heads: 8 10K+ @@@ | 0.4sec+ @@@ | Sectors/Track: 27 8K+ @@@ | 0.3sec+ @@@ | Total Bytes: 17,694,720 6K+ @@@ | 0.2sec+ @@@ | 4K+ @@@ | 0.1sec+ @@@ | 2K+ @@@ | 0 +-----------------+ 0 +--------------+ Average Track Block Size: 110K +-+ 1389.6ms |/| Determine Average Seek Time +-+ 2.9ms |/| Determine Track to Track Seek Time +-+ 14.0K/Second |/| Determine Transfer Speed +-+ [Ed. Note: The following was added by Mr. Lowe recently.] I neglected to mention that the A501 clock is used to store CMOS info for the MS-DOS side, and I had my clock do really strange things (like reading the date and getting seconds) three times. ----------- -Todd Lowe 871579l@aucs.AcadiaU.Ca